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		<title>Marion Hartley Follow-up</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to one of the guys from Battrick, who kindly searched The Times archive for me, I now have some more information about Marion Hartley, a distant relative who was killed in 1966 aged 15.

The transcription from the article above, which appeared on page 8 of The Times on Saturday August 13, 1966:

Girls&#8217; Death In [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Thanks to one of the guys from Battrick, who kindly searched The Times archive for me, I now have some more information about <a href="http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/marion-hartley">Marion Hartley</a>, a distant relative who was killed in 1966 aged 15.</p>
<p><a href="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/girls_death_in_forest.png" rel="lightbox[2430]"><img src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/girls_death_in_forest.png" alt="" title="girls_death_in_forest" width="559" height="717" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2431" /></a><br />
The transcription from the article above, which appeared on page 8 of The Times on Saturday August 13, 1966:</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>Girls&#8217; Death In Forest</h3>
<h4>Irishman charged with murder</h4>
<p>An Irishman seized a schoolgirl, aged 15, pulled her into Epping Forest and strangled her, it was alleged at Stratford Magistrates Court, E., yesterday.<br />
Joseph Kiely, aged 20, unemployed, of no fixed address, appeared on a charge of murdering Marion Joan Hartley, of Forest Glade, Walthamstow, E.<br />
Mr. Philip Radcliffe, for the prosecution, said Kiely told the police: &#8220;It is me. I was drunk. I did not know what I was doing. I just saw the girl and I grabbed her and pulled her into the forest. It just came over me. She went all limp and funny.&#8221;<br />
Kiely was said to have told the police that he was frightened. Later he went back to have a look, but the police were there, and he went away.<br />
Mr. Radcliffe said Kiely&#8217;s home was in Ireland and most of his life had been spent there. He came to England early in July.</p>
<h4>With Friend At Dance</h4>
<p>Mr. Radcliffe said the girl went with another girl friend to a dance at Woodford memorial hall on Saturday, July 23. She left with her friend.<br />
They parted at 11.25 p.m. At 11.55 p.m. she was seen by a man at Forest Glade. The man heard some sort of commotion outside his house and when he looked out of the window he saw someone carrying something into the forest.<br />
He telephoned to the police, who later found in the roadway a bottle of beer, the girl&#8217;s shoes, and a black pullover. Thirty-eight feet into the forest they found a coat, and 10ft. farther on a body. The girl died of asphyxia from manual strangulation.<br />
Through Mr. John Daybell, his solicitor, Kiely pleaded Not Guilty and reserved his defence. He was sent for trial at the Central Criminal Court.</p></blockquote>
<p>Six weeks later, on Tuesday 27th September 1966, another article appeared in The Times on page 9:<br />
<a href="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/fifteen-years-for-forest-killing.png" rel="lightbox[2430]"><img src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/fifteen-years-for-forest-killing.png" alt="" title="fifteen-years-for-forest-killing" width="442" height="426" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2433" /></a><br />
The transcription is:</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>Fifteen years for forest killing</h3>
<p>Joseph Kiely, aged 20, Irish labourer, of no fixed home, who according to the prosecution dragged a girl aged 15 from near her home into Epping Forest where he strangled her after indecently assaulting her, was sentenced at the Central Criminal Court yesterday to 15 years&#8217; imprisonment.<br />
He pleaded Not Guilt to a charge of murdering the girl, Marion Joan Hartley, of Forest Glade, Chingford, E., but Guilty of manslaughter on the ground of diminished responsibility. The plea was accepted.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve also found index entries for a couple of local newspapers held in the British Library, and the National Archives should have something on the court events, but if you know anything else this story, please get in touch.</p>
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		<title>Don&#8217;t Tell Me What To Re-Post</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anyone else get annoyed with the &#8220;Please re-post this as your status message if&#8230;&#8221;-type messages that their Facebook friends put? 
Seriously &#8211; be original &#8211; don&#8217;t pollute our screens with your pointless and personal political trash. Do it on your blog instead.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Does anyone else get annoyed with the &#8220;Please re-post this as your status message if&#8230;&#8221;-type messages that their Facebook friends put? </p>
<div id="attachment_1825" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 542px">
	<a href="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/be-original.png" rel="lightbox[1824]"><img src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/be-original.png" alt="Snapshot of Facebook showing three &quot;Please re-post...&quot; status messages" title="Be original" width="542" height="459" class="size-full wp-image-1825" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">Be original</p>
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<p>Seriously &#8211; be original &#8211; don&#8217;t pollute <strong>our</strong> screens with <strong>your</strong> pointless and personal political trash. Do it on your blog instead.</p>
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		<title>Marion Hartley</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whilst doing an interview for my family tree research I was told about a relative of mine who was murdered in the 1950s or 1960s.
There was only one source on the web that I could find that mentioned Marion Hartley, my 1st cousin twice removed, and that was the grainy image of the front page [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Whilst doing an interview for my family tree research I was told about a relative of mine who was murdered in the 1950s or 1960s.</p>
<p>There was only one source on the web that I could find that mentioned Marion Hartley, my 1<sup>st</sup> cousin twice removed, and that was the grainy image of the front page of a Daily Mirror newspaper from Monday 25<sup>th</sup> July 1966.</p>
<p><span id="more-1578"></span><a href="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/marion_hartley_article.png" rel="lightbox[1578]"><img src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/marion_hartley_article.png" width="100%" alt="" title="marion_hartley_article" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1582" /></a></p>
<p>The transcription is:</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>Hunt in forest after girl, 15, is killed</h3>
<p>By Mirror Reporter</p>
<p>Squads of police searched the fringe of a forest yesterday after a blonde schoolgirl has been attacked and killed.<br />
The schoolgirl, 15-year-old Marion Hartley was attacked as she walked home from a dance at Chingford, Essex, after midnight.<br />
Sounds of a struggle were heard by some of her neighbours in Forest Glade &#8211; a dim lit road with houses on one side and the edge of Epping Forest on the other.</p>
<h4>Pond</h4>
<p>Soon afterwards, 250 police with dogs began searching the forest.<br />
Marion, a fourth-form pupil at Walthamstow High School was found dead in a bramble-patch, less than 100 yards from her home.<br />
The police kept searching. Several men seen in the area were questioned.<br />
As daybreak came, anglers began arriving to fish in a pond near where the dead girl had been found. They were turned away.<br />
After five hours, the search was called off.<br />
Last night, a 20-year-old man was charged with murder.<br />
He will appear in court at Walthamstow today.
</p></blockquote>
<p>The article doesn&#8217;t mention the cause of her death, although my initial source said that she may have been strangled and that the person charged with murder may have been her boyfriend at the time. They also said they thought she had just got off a bus, but that seems to contradict the article. </p>
<p>If anyone knows anything about this, knew Marion Hartley, or knows where I may find more information about this unfortunate event, I&#8217;d be most grateful if you left a comment or otherwise got in touch.</p>
<p class="note">A <a href="http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/marion-hartley-follow-up/">follow-up</a> to this posts has been written, with new information.</p>
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		<title>Burning Monk</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a video of the self-immolation (burning) by Thích Quảng Đức - as featured on the cover of the self-titled album by Rage Against The Machine. The video left me speechless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Thích Quảng Đức (alternatively Thich Quang Duc) is the Buddhist monk who self-immolated (burned himself) in 1963 as a protest to the treatment of monks by the South Vietnamese government at the time. He is most widely recognisable from the picture featured on the 1992 album cover of <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000025SZ1?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=garjon-21&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1634&#038;creative=6738&#038;creativeASIN=B000025SZ1">Rage Against the Machine</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=garjon-21&#038;l=as2&#038;o=2&#038;a=B000025SZ1" width="1" height="1" /> by the group of the same name. <a href="http://www.ratm.com">RATM</a>&#8217;s hit single <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001I4NZP4?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=garjon-21&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1634&#038;creative=6738&#038;creativeASIN=B001I4NZP4">Killing In The Name</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=garjon-21&#038;l=as2&#038;o=2&#038;a=B001I4NZP4" width="1" height="1" /> is possibly going to be number 1 in the UK music charts this Christmas.</p>
<p><span id="more-1513"></span>The video below is a recording of the self-immolation. After sitting on a cushion in the lotus position in the middle of a busy intersection in Saigon, another monk poured five gallons of gasonline over Thích Quảng Đức. He then struck a match a dropped it onto the gasoline trail which led to Thích Quảng Đức. His robes immediately caught fire. He did not scream, and did not move a muscle. His body burned for 10 minutes.<br />
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<p>The video left me speechless. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c">More information about Thích Quảng Đức</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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Background
Over the last couple of days, an amusing situation has escalated involving me and a model-turned-web-designer/developer Lindsay (aka @idiot_girl &#8211; her apt choice of name). Lindsay runs the Web Design For Idiots website, among other websites. She describes herself as:
a 26 female, probably the hottest computer geek you will ever “virtually” meet.
I came across Lindsay [...]]]></description>
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<h3>Background</h3>
<p>Over the last couple of days, an amusing situation has escalated involving me and a model-turned-web-designer/developer Lindsay (aka <a href="http://twitter.com/idiot_girl">@idiot_girl</a> &#8211; her apt choice of name). Lindsay runs the <a href="http://webdesignforidiots.net">Web Design For Idiots</a> website, among other websites. She <a href="http://www.webdesignforidiots.net/so-why-am-i-doing-this/">describes</a> herself as:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>a 26 female, probably the hottest computer geek you will ever “virtually” meet.</p></blockquote>
<p>I came across Lindsay in the forums of the <a href="http://www.cmfads.com/">CMF Ads</a> network that I trialled on my site briefly. Her Web Design For Idiots site aimed to produce articles that helped new web designers get started with aspects of their blog or site. Her <a href="http://www.webdesignforidiots.net/funny-i-know-web-design-and-all-that-but-i-dont-really-get-the-blogging-thing/" class="broken_link">Am i blog-norant</a> page confirms that her site was a journal of her learning, rather than being tutorials from a recognised expert:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>And although I am still sloshing my way through all this technicalities, I will be posting tutorials on everything i learn as i go.</p></blockquote>
<p>In February 2009, she posted about a <a href="http://www.webdesignforidiots.net/2009/02/contest-its-your-turn/">competition</a> to review her site, and possibly win some business cards and other goodies. I didn&#8217;t need the business cards or goodies, but as she&#8217;d been pleasant on the CMF forum, and I wanted to help a new web designer, I took the time to write a <a href="http://gamajo.com/review-web-design-idiots/">lengthy review</a> about her site, and emailed her about it. I don&#8217;t recall even getting a thank you for doing this.<span id="more-1495"></span><br />
<h3>Post and Comments</h3>
<p>In March 2009 she made a new post on her blog entitled <a href="http://www.webdesignforidiots.net/2009/03/fixed-width-centered-website/">Fixed Width Centered Website</a>, that I felt had a few mistakes in it, so I offered some constructive criticism. <em>Lindsay has since deleted these comments &#8211; only she&#8217;ll know why</em>.</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>
No, no, no, no.</p>
<p>You’re advising at least 4 bad practises here.</p>
<p>1) Use semantic class and ID names. Imagine you’ve called it “centerContent” then you decide you want to have it sitting on the left after all – you can either go along and remove all those divs from all your pages, or you could utilise the power of CSS, and just remove it from being styled centered. That however, leaves you with code that’s illogical? Labeled centered, but aligned left?<br />
Far better would be to label the div up as *what it’s used for*, not *how it appears visually*. e.g. id=”wrapper”</p>
<p>2) The example you’ve chosen suffers from 2 further sub problems:<br />
a) The word “center” is spelt differently in different parts of the world, so British users, for instance, who come to your website, will now have to remember the US version, whereas other parts of their website may use British spelling. It’s best to leave words like these out of all class and ID names, at least as examples.<br />
b) You’ve used two words. Now while CSS isn’t case sensitive, DOM manipulation using JavaScript, is, and while you’re example uses camel caps, the existing usage on your readers’ websites may have other ways of delimiting two words (underscore, hyphen). Far better, in all cases, is to use a single word, all in lower case, e.g. id=”wrapper”</p>
<p>3) You’ve suggested the reader embeds a style sheet in the head element – apart from missing out the type=”text/css” attribute, this obviously means each and every page would need to be changed – far better would be to ensure they have a link element that pulls in an external style sheet, and puts the styling code for wrapper / centerContent in that instead.</p>
<p>4) You’ve gone to the effort of using style sheets (correct), but then said to use a text-align attribute within the body tag? That’s conficting at best. Use:<br />
body{text-align: center;}<br />
within the style sheet to achieve the same thing, and keep your markup clean and pure.</p>
<p>5) The method you’re using to pull off this technique will fail, in that now all of the text with paragraphs and other block level elements will now be centered, instead of the default aligned left. The correct method for centering content would be to apply auto margins (as you’ve done) for the nice browsers, then text-align: center; on the parent element, in this case the body element (for IE), but then to immediately cancel this with text-align: left; on the wrapper element:</p>
<p>body {text-align: center;}<br />
wrapper {text-align: left; width: 900px; margins: 0 auto;}</p>
<p>Not sure why you’ve got a border style in there, and you also haven’t clarified that the 900px value can be changed to whatever the user feels is correct for their site.</p>
<p>While your version may work in some browsers, some of the time, you’re setting you users up for a fall, by introducing bad practises and leaving them with other problems. </p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s quite a lot there, but for the non-technical among you, it simply offers suggestions on how she could improve her tutorial for her target audience, who would know less than Lindsay. Lindsay replied:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>First off, I have used this process in 4 of my websites that have been tested on all browsers from IE5 and above and have not had a problem. I do not see this as not being cross browser issue in any way.</p>
<p>Imbedding the style sheet in the head is just a simple way of getting this done. I am NOT going to tell my readers to create a style sheet and link to it considering that fact that this blog is geared towards people who don’t have a clue. I CAN write a new post about how to use a style sheet, and link each post together, but for now, since I do not have one – it would be nice if you just left my posts be and just correct things that are GLARING ERRORS and now “best practices” because we will get to the best practices when we get to them.</p>
<p>The bodg tag is something that is entirely under used. People go div crazy and why even bother creating a div when you have the body tag there already. Again, these are your interpretations of “best practices” and I would appreciate if you didn’t try and scare any of my readers from using this</p>
<p>THIS METHOD WORKS, AND IF YOU ARE NEW TO WEB DESIGN, THEN YOU CAN USE THIS WITH EASE AND HAVE NO ISSUES </p></blockquote>
<p>OK, so she&#8217;s defending what she wrote &#8211; fair enough &#8211; except the former teacher in me felt compelled to take the time and explain why I thought her view was uninformed:</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>Yes, if you compare my suggestion (#5) against yours, you’ll see it’s exactly, the same, except that I also reset the text-alignment to the left – otherwise all your readers will be complaining that all their text on the whole page is centered, and that when they try to change it to the left, the whole page is no longer centered. You’ve only provided half of the work for them.</p>
<p>The fact you are so dead set against providing your readers with the full picture (to empower them to let them make the decision) shows that you haven’t fully grasped the needs of your target audience. By all means, show them the “simple” ways to do things, but you should make it clear that there are more advanced ways – the reader who knows and understands a little more more than your target audience, then has the choice whether to attempt the trickier way.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with the body tag, as it’s required forvalid markup anyway – my point (#4), is that using a styling attribute in the body element, when you’ve created the rest of your styles in a style element / style sheet is counter productive. And if you’re not fussed, then tell your readers to use the element and be done with it.</p>
<p>However, you’ve not addressed points 1-3 – these require no extra code, but does require letting your readers have an insight into the kind of thoughts that should be going into creating solid, future-proof markup.</p>
<p>I fail to see why you are so reluctant to take advice from a colleague – your reply indicates that you have a very closed mind that someone else might understand the topic better than you do. </p></blockquote>
<p>As the last paragraph alludes to, I couldn&#8217;t see why this self-confessed learner wasn&#8217;t willing to at least acknowledge that others may just know more than her.</p>
<p>There were no more comments on the post, so I left it at that. </p>
<h3>A Few Months Later</h3>
<p>A few months went past, and in June 2009, a post was made by someone called John. As I&#8217;d chosen to use the <em>Subscribe to Comments</em> feature of the WDFI site, I&#8217;d got alerted to the new comment via email:</p>
<blockquote class="john"><p>I agree with Gary.  His way is the correct way to put it together.  You were correct that this will be the easiest thing you teach them.  Problem is that Gary taught it.  You shouldn&#8217;t be so reluctant to take the advise of someone who obviously knows more on the subject.  Given what you are trying to do you should be teaching proper practices and not what you think.  These days you should be telling people that their sites should be constructed 100% in CSS.  That is the proper way.  No one should be using in-line styles.  So teach them correctly and actually help them. The body tag is in no way under used.  Your not understanding what to do with it.  Gary is right, it should be defined in the CSS!</p>
<p>Please do everyone a favor and do a little more research in these areas before you TRY teaching it.  You can really show someone really bad habits that will make them crazy trying to figure out why things don&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>John</p></blockquote>
<p>Lindsay then replied to this (which I don&#8217;t have a copy of), but it may well have been along the same lines as her previous reply. It may also have mentioned that the technique she had posted about was also suggested on <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_align.asp">W3Schools</a> &#8211; a well known site that often tops the rankings for searches related to web design help.</p>
<p>By the time I&#8217;d got around to reading her reply, she&#8217;d apparently deleted the comment from John. My reply:</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>It’s a shame you’ve deleted John’s post, who was in support of my comments, yet kept your own reply.<br />
Your example here is about centring content, presumably over more than one page (if you wish to keep the site consistency), in which case, creating a single-page solution (i.e. inline styles) is completly wrong.<br />
The other drawback from using inline styles (and embedded style sheets) over external style sheets is that you introduce another layer of importance. Lets say you give an example for conflicting styling of an element at three different levels in three different tutorials. The user applies them all, but can’t figure out why one of them isn’t working – you’ve now confused them.<br />
By creating all examples in an external style sheet, with similar levels of selector specificity (that’s a far more advanced tpoic, which they won’t need to know about yet), then simply telling them “the last styles on the page are used when styles conflict” is simple enough to follow.</p>
<p>As for relying on W3Schools for your reference, then really, either, you’ve not got enough knowledge to be qualified to be giving tutorials, or you should just point your domain at W3Schools and be done with it. </p></blockquote>
<p>OK, so the first and last paragraphs aren&#8217;t helpful, but the rest of it is still on topic, and still offering advice.</p>
<p>A day later, the following arrives through the contact page form on my own site:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>Gary.<br />
I understand your -well.. whatever it is you have against my blog.. its fine..<br />
But commenting on the fact that i deleted ALL of &#8220;johns&#8221; comments.. is well,<br />
just none of your business. THIS GUY (who&#8217;s name is NOT JOHN) is an asshole that<br />
has been stalking me for THREE DAYS. He is a local guy who has nothing better to<br />
do than to make threats and flood my blog with half baked resistance comments.</p>
<p>Maybe if you read his comments, you would understand&#8230; Or maybe you wouldnt..<br />
But either way, if you dont have nothing nice to say.. just dont say it at all.<br />
I left your comments up. Mainly because you had points.. But if you are going to<br />
comment on things that you literally have NO CLUE about.. I will have to block<br />
you from my blog.</p>
<p>So please.. Either comment when comments are due, or not at all.. THAT just<br />
wasn&#8217;t any of your business.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm. My one line about deleting John&#8217;s comment invoked that response, which completely ignores all the advice I&#8217;ve been offering that was on-topic to the post. </p>
<p>As Lindsay had contacted me off the blog, I replied to her via email:</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>Lindsay,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got nothing against you or your blog, except for the fact you seem adamant not to accept the fact that someone may just know a little bit more than you in the area of web design.</p>
<p>I read John&#8217;s comments via the email that resulted from being subscribed to those posts. I&#8217;m assuming that you would have had to moderate and accept those comments before that email was sent, so the fact it appears these were deleted afterwards is why it looks like you simply didn&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
<p>Even if he is stalking you or whatever (3 days is hardly stalking), his comments don&#8217;t imply that, and only add to the discussion about the posts.</p>
<p>If you could answer the comments that disagree with you, with &#8220;Oooh, that&#8217;s an interesting viewpoint, but&#8230;&#8221; rather than &#8220;No, you&#8217;re wrong, I&#8217;m right because&#8230;&#8221; then I think you would be seen in a better, more open, light.</p>
<p>I like the notion of what you&#8217;re trying to do &#8211; some of it will be helpful &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think that you have a full understanding of the intricacies of giving CSS-related demo code, and it&#8217;s this which my comments are trying to point you too.</p>
<p>As well as being a web developer myself, I&#8217;ve also taught web design to both children and adults (including prisoners), so I have a good idea of how the learning process works. What you trying to do is not easy &#8211; CSS can quickly get advanced in some areas &#8211; but by not providing that indicator of where to go next, or giving suitably stable basic code that can be advanced on without making major changes, then it&#8217;s just going to lead to confusion to your readers.</p>
<p>One hint is to write an article on the most complex things you can think of in CSS, come up with the demo code, then break it down backwards to get the simple code &#8211; create the articles as a series, and then your readers can see how doing the basics right can help later on.</p>
<p>I wish you and your blog success for the future. </p></blockquote>
<p>I hear nothing more and leave it at that.</p>
<h3>Yet More Months Later</h3>
<p>Fast forward to this month, and someone else (john?) makes a comment on the blog. I don&#8217;t have the exact wording, but it was something in support of my sentiments &#8211; that the blog post could be improved, and that Lindsay would do well to listen to free advice &#8211; it may even have been from the previous 3-day-stalker John.</p>
<p>Lindsay replied:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>I didn’t simply because if you read more of my earlier articles, you will see that he chose to follow around and tried to point out non-existent problems. Where there were issues, I thanked him and went on my way.</p>
<p>The problem here is that there is nothing wrong in this post. The post was meant to teach a very VERY basic newbie how to get a fixed width, centered website.. and it does that well. </p></blockquote>
<p>As this again had arrived in my inbox, I took a look to see if the post had been altered in anyway (it hadn&#8217;t). I then replied (which got deleted) something along the lines of not wanting to reopen this issue about not even acknowledging the advice, but again reiterated that there was things wrong with the post and why improving it would be beneficial to Lindsay&#8217;s target audience.</p>
<h3>Getting Personal</h3>
<p>Lindsay decided at this point that <strong>I</strong> must be a stalker, and thus proceeded to <strong>email me</strong> (where&#8217;s the logic in that?). I&#8217;ve since deleted the email without replying, but it was something along the lines of her being serious, me getting a life, and a threat to block my IP from her site.<br />
OK Lindsay, feel free &#8211; I&#8217;m not likely to miss out on anything important, so it&#8217;s not really a threat now, is it?</p>
<p>I <a href="http://twitter.com/GaryJ/statuses/6667479574">post</a> the following to my Twitter account:</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>http://bit.ly/7vTnZ2 She&#8217;s deleted another of my comments, and threatened to block my IP. Oh dear, some people aren&#8217;t willing to learn.</p></blockquote>
<p>I then have a discussion on Twitter about it, and at one point mention CMF Ads as how I&#8217;d met Lindsay. <a href="http://www.benbarden.com/">Ben Barden</a>, who knows Lindsay via the CMF Ads network that he co-built, must have found my tweet and tracked it back to the original post on Lindsay&#8217;s site. He then commented about an error (effectively point 4 of my initial comment) he&#8217;d spotted with the post. His suggestion unfortunately was also wrong, so I commented on the blog that it was also invalid.</p>
<p>Some of my friends and random followers (some developers, some not) who saw the tweets then take it upon themselves to also make comments on the blog post. All of these comments (including the ones from Ben and me) are deleted.</p>
<p>I then get another unsolicited email from Lindsay:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>You really should get a life. Its kinda sad that you choose to &#8220;sick your internet friends&#8221; on a blog post that you had a beef with for a year. Maybe it&#8217;s time to get a girl or something.. </p></blockquote>
<p>Great, more abuse.</p>
<p>I then make another <a href="http://twitter.com/GaryJ/statuses/6676724987">post</a> on Twitter:</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>How NOT to react when someone is giving you solid, free and accurate advice that you just happen not to agree with:  http://bit.ly/6159w5</p></blockquote>
<p>Lindsay then reveals her Twitter identity and <del>stalks</del> <a href="http://twitter.com/idiot_girl/statuses/6684755646">contacts</a> me directly:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>@GaryJ Gary.. seriously PLEASE get a freaking life. All you have is time to mess with people. You&#8217;ve been stalking me for almost 1 year now</p></blockquote>
<p>So let me get this straight &#8211; I make a comment on someone&#8217;s blog (that&#8217;s assumed to be an accepted practice, yes?), she doesn&#8217;t like what I have to say, then <strong>she</strong> contacts <strong>me</strong> via my contact form, my email and on Twitter, yet I&#8217;m the stalker? Should I have my Facebook messages, MSN and Skype opened and ready?</p>
<p>It gets to the stage that I find it highly amusing how her not agreeing with my comments nine months ago (and not a year as Lindsay currently seems to think it&#8217;s been) has turned around into me being a stalker. Taking ten seconds every three months to open and read an email sent automatically via her Subscribe to Comments plugin is not how I would define stalking. Nonetheless, I can&#8217;t but <a href="http://twitter.com/GaryJ/statuses/6702003509">help</a> play along:</p>
<blockquote class="gary"><p>If I was stalking you @idiot_girl, trust me, you wouldn&#8217;t know about it. @tensor and @PeteScuff will attest to my stalking abilities.</p></blockquote>
<p>Lindsay once again however, feels that this was a threat though, so what does she do? She sends more <a href="http://twitter.com/idiot_girl/status/6703016686">abuse</a>:</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>@GaryJ Stalkers always think that they are doing it for the benefit of the stalkee. You are dilusional.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;then <a href="http://twitter.com/idiot_girl/statuses/6703032020">threatens</a> me back (go figure):</p>
<blockquote class="lindsay"><p>@GaryJ I&#8217;ll take that as a threat and pass it on to your ISP. I&#8217;m sure I can match your comments IP to your twitter IP- its not hard</p></blockquote>
<p>Good luck in convincing Twitter to release the IP address information for me. And even if they did, then what?</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, I took a look to see what other comments Lindsay may have been making via Twitter. I took the following screenshot, as if she&#8217;s deleted blog posts comments, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see some of the following be deleted too. Click to enlarge, and obviously read from the bottom upwards:<br />
<div id="attachment_1499" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 386px">
	<a href="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/idiot_girl.png" rel="lightbox[1495]"><img src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/idiot_girl-386x1024.png" alt="@idiot_girl" title="@idiot_girl" width="386" height="1024" class="size-large wp-image-1499" /></a>
	<p class="wp-caption-text">@idiot_girl</p>
</div><br />
And yet I&#8217;m the stalker?</p>
<h3>Summary</h3>
<p>I was urged by several friends not to write this post &#8211; they failed to see what good it would accomplish. Lindsay may just get more wound up and upset, I would be made to look cruel etc. I thought I could use it as a chance to apologise directly and publicly to Lindsay, but I&#8217;m struggling to work out what I&#8217;d be apologising for. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not in my character to intend to go out and hurt someone&#8217;s feelings, but I do subscribe the the comic strip notion at the beginning of this post &#8211; especially when the person in the wrong is trying to teach others wrongly, and doesn&#8217;t have the open mind to accept others do know better. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got no problems with people who are learning something, be it web design or anything else. If I think I can help, I will do, as I hope I&#8217;ve shown by the majority of my comments and website review to Lindsay, and with others who I&#8217;ve <a href="http://garyjones.co.uk/helped/">helped</a>. My issue here is that, even nine months after being shown by multiple people that there are multiple errors in this and other posts, she has been unwilling to change it &#8211; and as such, it will stay as a &#8220;resource&#8221; for the future that will trip up the very same people that it was intended to help. A tutorial site that is wrong is worse than no tutorial site at all.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some final thoughts for Lindsay:</p>
<ul>
<li>Subscribe to Comments is not stalking, it&#8217;s opening an email</li>
<li>Commenting on a blog is not stalking, it&#8217;s blogging</li>
<li>A write-up of how you think I&#8217;m stalking you is not stalking, it&#8217;s amusing.</li>
<li><em>Please</em>, fix the blog post &#8211; that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m asking.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Update</strong><br />
As if to prove just who is stalking who, Lindsay managed to <a href="http://twitter.com/idiot_girl/status/6711491165">tweet</a> about this post in the few seconds between me publishing it, and making my own <a href="http://twitter.com/GaryJ/status/6711572483">tweet</a> on it &#8211; note the lower number in the URL for her tweet than mine, highlighting the order of events. I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>Allan &amp; Becky&#8217;s Wedding Reception</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>12<sup>th</sup> December 2009 in the Thomas Lord Suite, Lord&#8217;s Cricket Ground.<br />

<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/allan-beckys-wedding-reception/dscf0847/' title='Allan and Becky'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSCF0847-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The happy couple" title="Allan and Becky" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/allan-beckys-wedding-reception/dscf0848/' title='That loving look'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSCF0848-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="That loving look" title="That loving look" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/allan-beckys-wedding-reception/dscf0845/' title='The Reception'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSCF0845-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="The Reception" title="The Reception" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/allan-beckys-wedding-reception/dscf0858/' title='Mandatory dancing'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSCF0858-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Mandatory dancing" title="Mandatory dancing" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/allan-beckys-wedding-reception/dscf0849/' title='Gary and Allan (aka BT-Jargon and BT-allanfc)'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSCF0849-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Gary and Allan" title="Gary and Allan (aka BT-Jargon and BT-allanfc)" /></a>
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		<title>Guest Post: Getting the f**k on with it</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When asked to write a guest blog post for the venerable Mr Jones my initial thought was to write something witty and succinct. However upon realisation that being neither concise nor humorous are my greatest talents the following ramblings seem appropriate.
I’m going to write about accomplishment, progress, recovery. However you deem to express it for me they all boil down to the same basic principle. That principle to me is (if you’ll excuse my French) getting the f**k on with it.]]></description>
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</p><p>When asked to write a guest blog post for the venerable Mr Jones my initial thought was to write something witty and succinct. However upon realisation that being neither concise nor humorous are my greatest talents the following ramblings seem appropriate.</p>
<p>The majority of those who read this don’t know me and never will, I like that anonymity. There’s something about writing something out for the whole world to see that’s very therapeutic. The thought that someone might read this and find the slightest interest, enlightenment or inspiration from it makes me smile.</p>
<p>I’m going to write about accomplishment, progress, recovery. However you deem to express it for me they all boil down to the same basic principle. That principle to me is (if you’ll excuse my French) <em>getting the f**k on with it</em>. I mean, obviously it’s not that simple, so, let’s give some background here.  Wait for it, here comes the big confession:</p>
<p><strong>My name is Andie, I’m 24 years old, and I’m an alcoholic.</strong></p>
<p><span id="more-1327"></span>This is something I’ve been told many a time that’s very difficult to say. In reality it’s not. It’s a simple matter of sentence structure and semantics. The obvious difference here is saying it and understanding the consequences, because the thing is the moment that I said those words out loud, it became a problem.</p>
<p>Let’s not forget the fact that the first time I said those words I was wearing a green and pink mini-dress, neon green stiletto heels and sitting cross legged on crisply laundered Sunlight sheets in Basingstoke and North Hants Hospital. The previous night I had washed down 40 aspirin with 75cl of vodka, panicked and called an ambulance. Earlier that evening I’d wandered around the streets dressed in only my night dress and aforementioned green stilettos having to be escorted back to my own house by a friendly neighbour. Despite this though, until I said those words the next morning, that behaviour was not out of the ordinary to me. It was just one of those things that everyone does sometimes? Aren’t we all a little crazy? Don’t we all enjoy the odd drink?</p>
<p>The point I have specifically always struggled with is where does the distinction between ‘enjoying a drink’ end and ‘having to drink’ begin.  The National Library of Medicine defines alcoholism as the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;A primary, chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial, and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, most notably denial. Each of these symptoms may be continuous or periodic.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Now see, I can completely understand that the distinction lies at the point where control is lost, where there is a preoccupation with drinking, where it plays on your mind all day. Relating this back, I can see that despite my perception of myself that I was in control because:</p>
<ul>
<li>I never drank before 6pm</li>
<li>I never drove while drunk</li>
<li>I always made it to work and was able to hold down a steady job</li>
</ul>
<p>and finally, and probably most importantly:</p>
<ul>
<li>I believed that no-one knew how much I really drank, that I was capable of fooling people, that I could appear sober when drunk.</li>
</ul>
<p>&#8230;these were actually highly contributing factors showing that I wasn’t in control. OK, so yes, as far as the outside world could see I was fine, I wasn’t a danger to others, I wasn’t about to slam my car into a pedestrian or go stand outside Liquid and pick fights with strangers, I turned up to work every day and worked to the best of my ability through constant hangovers, I did my laundry, cooked my meals, showered regularly, anything I could to convince myself that my consumption of alcohol was ‘normal’ and ‘moderate’.</p>
<p>But I digress. Back to, as I put it “getting the f**k on with it”. It’s a basic principle that I’ve struggled with for as long as I can remember. Something I suspect that everyone finds difficult on some level, whether it’s something as simple as getting out of bed or boiling an egg, the slightly more complicated tasks such as doing the ironing or working out how to use the inner join command in SQL, to the baffling concepts of completing a degree, learning  exactly how to use the | character in UNIX or writing a witty and succinct blog post.</p>
<p>Saying those words though, that was the force of action that made me put my principle into action, and over the last ten days of sobriety it’s a principle that I’ve applied to everything.  It may not be the most efficient or productive principle but so far it’s working, some examples below:</p>
<ul>
<li> Get out of bed before 10am.</li>
<li> Get the flat into a state where you can actually keep it tidy.</li>
<li> Get all those little tasks done that you couldn’t because your were too drunk.</li>
<li> Get help.</li>
</ul>
<p>(I’ve omitted the f-word for politeness, feel free to add it in as you read those back to yourself)</p>
<p>The last one of those bullet points is the by far the hardest, and I know full well that at ten days it’s still early in the process. The thing is though, I’m actually doing it. Getting the F**k on with it and getting help. I’m achieving something, progressing and growing and for the first time in years I’m doing something for me. I’m talking to people, being honest and working through things, and if I can do it so can anyone, because you see, I suspect I’m a lot more ‘normal’ than I think I am. So tell me, what’s your confession? And what can you do about it?</p>
<p class="note">References:<br />
MeSH. (2009). National Library of Medicine &#8211; Medical Subject Headings. Retrieved June 25, 2009, from <a href="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi?field=uid&amp;term=D000437">http://www.nlm.nih.gov/cgi/mesh/2009/MB_cgi?field=uid&amp;term=D000437</a></p>
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		<title>Guest Post: Anne Wayman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A guest post from Anne Wayman:
Back when the web was young and I was younger, I tried my hand at web design. It was the days before web editors and when the early web editors arrived they were often more trouble then they were worth.

I discovered my magazine work had given me a pretty good eye for how a web page should look. It was in the early ‘90s that a friend and I formed a partnership to offer web development.

Our venture didn’t last long. It wasn’t lack of customers; it was the difficulty in supporting them. The web was so new that very few really understood what it might do for a business or an individual.]]></description>
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</p><p>Back when the web was young and I was younger, I tried my hand at web design. It was the days before web editors and when the early web editors arrived they were often more trouble then they were worth.</p>
<p>I discovered my magazine work had given me a pretty good eye for how a web page should look. It was in the early ‘90s that a friend and I formed a partnership to offer web development.</p>
<p>Our venture didn’t last long. It wasn’t lack of customers; it was the difficulty in supporting them. The web was so new that very few really understood what it might do for a business or an individual.<br />
<span id="more-1312"></span><br />
And like so many things we on the computer, it looks so easy to the uninitiated. I can’t tell you the number of times I heard a client say something like “but I only want you to change a couple of words,” never realizing they were asking me to:</p>
<ol>
<li>Stop whatever else I might be doing.</li>
<li>Open my copy of their copy (and maybe an editor)</li>
<li>Find the “couple of words” and change them.</li>
<li>Read what I’d changed to make sure it made sense, and it often didn’t, which meant I either did more editing or called the client.</li>
<li>Checked the page in a couple of browsers</li>
<li>Fired up my internet connection (yeah, this is dial up time, back then)</li>
<li>Open my FTP program</li>
<li>Upload the new file(s)</li>
<li>Double check that it had all gone well</li>
</ol>
<p>Those nine steps often took a couple of hours or more and it was a rare client who was willing to pay for that time.</p>
<p>I dropped my end of the business and went back to writing, something I more or less understand.</p>
<p>But I went back with a better understanding of how to keep track of my time, bill for my time, and, most importantly, give the client an accurate estimate of how many hours I would be putting in. I use the same information when setting flat fees.</p>
<p>I rarely get underpaid these days, and early web design is one of the reasons.</p>
<p>Write well and often,</p>
<p><img src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/annesig.gif" alt="Anne" title="Anne" width="85" height="47" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1314" /></p>
<p style="clear:both" class="note vcard"><span class="fn n">Anne Wayman</span> writes about writing from her home office in <span class="adr"><span class="locality">San Diego</span> in the <abbr title="United States of America" class="country-name">US</abbr></span>. Her blog is at <a href="http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com"class="external url" rel="external">www.aboutfreelancewriting.com</a> . She is also a ghostwriter and writing coach. You can view her credits and other information at <a href="http://www.annewayman.com" rel="external" class="external url">www.annewayman.com</a></p>
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		<title>Ask me a question</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It could be something you wanted to know about me, or a question about how to solve a problem you need help with. Go on, make it as diverse as you can. Randomness is good!]]></description>
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</p><p>Quite simply, if you could ask me any question, what would it be?</p>
<p>It could be something you wanted to know about me, or a question about how to solve a problem you need help with. Go on, make it as diverse as you can. Randomness is good!</p>
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		<title>Basingstoke Tweetup #1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A write-up and gallery of the first Basingstoke Tweetup (a Twitter meetup) from April 2009, in the Red Lion, Basingstoke. ]]></description>
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</p><h3>The Summary</h3>
<p>The first Basingstoke Tweetup (a Twitter meet-up) was considered a good success by all. Although only 12 out of 20 planned attendees arrived, it probably made for a better event as there was time and opportunity to chat to each and every other person there.<br />
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The start of the event was made a little unusual (not that we&#8217;d established any sort of &#8220;usual&#8221; by that point) by having the reporter and photographer doing their thing for a newspaper <a href="http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/tweetup-article/">article</a> now out. I&#8217;d invited them down in the hope that we could spread the word a bit, and get more attendees next for the next month. Plus, it was something unusual, something related to Basingstoke, and something very relevant in this period of social networking buzz &#8211; they could hardly say no!<br />
Plenty of chat, laughter and discussion followed. The event was in effect sponsored by <span class="vcard"><a class="external fn org url" rel="external" href="http://the-escape.co.uk">The Escape</a></span> as they kindly picked up the bar tab for the whole evening &#8211; that definitely made the event more enjoyable!<br />
For me, I thoroughly enjoyed it &#8211; there were people there from my line of work (web development), from my street, and those who had interested me with their tweets before the event. I think the novelty of the event itself made everyone feel relaxed enough to enjoy it, and I&#8217;m hoping that the feedback from this can lead to something even better for next month.</p>
<h3>The Gallery</h3>

<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/attachment/5135223/' title='Back:@garyj / Gary, @dkplewis / David, @jkneen / Jason. Front:@interact4future, @callasalon / Lynne, @craigkillick / Craig'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/5135223-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Back:@garyj / Gary, @dkplewis / David, @jkneen / Jason. Front:@interact4future, @callasalon / Lynne, @craigkillick / Craig" title="Back:@garyj / Gary, @dkplewis / David, @jkneen / Jason. Front:@interact4future, @callasalon / Lynne, @craigkillick / Craig" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/attachment/5136746/' title='@garyj / Gary talking to Reporter Ben'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/5136746-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@garyj / Gary talking to Reporter Ben" title="@garyj / Gary talking to Reporter Ben" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/5139167-e12a8f4da2e89c32889db20ada94490d49df0fb6-full/' title='Photographer Andrew (@mccargow)'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/5139167-e12a8f4da2e89c32889db20ada94490d49df0fb6-full-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Photographer Andrew (@mccargow)" title="Photographer Andrew (@mccargow)" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/5139225-505179ace6e0f3ce19a8650d410e83e949df0feb-full/' title='Photographer Andrew (@mccargow)'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/5139225-505179ace6e0f3ce19a8650d410e83e949df0feb-full-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Photographer Andrew (@mccargow)" title="Photographer Andrew (@mccargow)" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/5194819-04b3a236c5f1d859c9bcf5b124a57fc249df13e9-full/' title='@garyj / Gary, Reporter Ben and Photographer Andrew'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/5194819-04b3a236c5f1d859c9bcf5b124a57fc249df13e9-full-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@garyj / Gary, Reporter Ben and Photographer Andrew" title="@garyj / Gary, Reporter Ben and Photographer Andrew" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3986/' title='Clockwise from right: @sheddriver / Mike, @surferbill / Terry, @interact4future / Jamie, @jaxsan / Jacqui, @jkneen / Jason, @davehornsby / Dave, @craigkillick / Craig'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3986-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Clockwise from right: @sheddriver / Mike, @surferbill / Terry, @interact4future / Jamie, @jaxsan / Jacqui, @jkneen / Jason, @davehornsby / Dave, @craigkillick / Craig" title="Clockwise from right: @sheddriver / Mike, @surferbill / Terry, @interact4future / Jamie, @jaxsan / Jacqui, @jkneen / Jason, @davehornsby / Dave, @craigkillick / Craig" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3987/' title='@dkplewis / David, Photographer Andrew, Reporter Ben, @callasalon / Lynne'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3987-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@dkplewis / David, Photographer Andrew, Reporter Ben, @callasalon / Lynne" title="@dkplewis / David, Photographer Andrew, Reporter Ben, @callasalon / Lynne" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3988/' title='@surferbill /Terry and @interact4future / Jamie'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3988-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@surferbill /Terry and @interact4future / Jamie" title="@surferbill /Terry and @interact4future / Jamie" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3989/' title='Sticky labels, so we knew who everyone was.'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3989-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="Sticky labels, so we knew who everyone was." title="Sticky labels, so we knew who everyone was." /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3990/' title='@surferbill / Terry'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3990-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@surferbill / Terry" title="@surferbill / Terry" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3991/' title='@surferbill / Terry with @interact4future / Jamie'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3991-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@surferbill / Terry with @interact4future / Jamie" title="@surferbill / Terry with @interact4future / Jamie" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3992/' title='@webmunkii / Kevin'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3992-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@webmunkii / Kevin" title="@webmunkii / Kevin" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3994/' title='@jaxsan / Jacqui and @freshplastic / Ant'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3994-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@jaxsan / Jacqui and @freshplastic / Ant" title="@jaxsan / Jacqui and @freshplastic / Ant" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3995/' title='@jaxsan / Jacqui and @freshplastic /Ant (just)'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3995-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@jaxsan / Jacqui and @freshplastic /Ant (just)" title="@jaxsan / Jacqui and @freshplastic /Ant (just)" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3996/' title='@interact4future / Jamie'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3996-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@interact4future / Jamie" title="@interact4future / Jamie" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3997/' title='@jkneen / Jason'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3997-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@jkneen / Jason" title="@jkneen / Jason" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3998/' title='@davehornsby / Dave, @callasalon / Lynne, @craigkillick / Craig'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3998-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@davehornsby / Dave, @callasalon / Lynne, @craigkillick / Craig" title="@davehornsby / Dave, @callasalon / Lynne, @craigkillick / Craig" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn3999/' title='@davehornsby'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn3999-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@davehornsby" title="@davehornsby" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn4000/' title='@callasalon / Lynne'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn4000-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@callasalon / Lynne" title="@callasalon / Lynne" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn4001/' title='@craigkillick / Craig'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn4001-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@craigkillick / Craig" title="@craigkillick / Craig" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn4002/' title='@dkplewis / David'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn4002-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@dkplewis / David" title="@dkplewis / David" /></a>
<a href='http://garyjones.co.uk/blog/basingstoke-tweetup-1/dscn4003/' title='@sheddriver / Mike'><img width="150" height="150" src="http://s.garyjones.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/dscn4003-150x150.jpg" class="attachment-thumbnail" alt="@sheddriver / Mike" title="@sheddriver / Mike" /></a>

<h3>The Details</h3>
<dl>
<dt>When:</dt>
<dd>Thursday 9th April.</dd>
<dt>Where:</dt>
<dd>Red Lion Hotel.</dd>
<dt>Who:</dt>
<dd>
<ul class="attendees">
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance" href="http://twitter.com/lynnedbaker">@callasalon</a> / <span class="fn">Lynne Baker</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met friend colleague" href="http://twitter.com/craigkillick">@craigkillick</a> / <span class="fn">Craig Killick</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance colleague" href="http://twitter.com/davehornsby">@davehornsby</a> / <span class="fn">Dave Hornsby</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance neighbor" href="http://twitter.com/dkplewis">@dkplewis</a> / <span class="fn">David Lewis</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance" href="http://twitter.com/freshplastic">@freshplastic</a> / <span class="fn">Ant Caroll</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external me" href="http://twitter.com/garyj">@garyj</a> / <span class="fn">Gary Jones</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance" href="http://twitter.com/interact4future">@interact4future</a> / <span class="fn">Jamie Ogbuigwe</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance" href="http://twitter.com/jaxsan">@jaxsan</a> / <span class="fn">Jacqui Sanwell</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance colleague" href="http://twitter.com/jkneen">@jkneen</a> / <span class="fn">Jason Kneen</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance" href="http://twitter.com/sheddriver">@sheddriver</a> / <span class="fn">Mike Cattell</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance colleague" href="http://twitter.com/surferbill">@surferbill</a> / <span class="fn">Terry</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><a class="external nickname url" rel="external met acquaintance colleague" href="http://twitter.com/webmunkii">@webmunkii</a> / <span class="fn">Kevin Bennett</span></li>
<li class="vcard"><span class="fn">Ben Ellery</span> (<span class="org">Basingstoke Gazette</span> <span class="title">Reporter</span>)</li>
<li class="vcard"><span class="fn">Andrew McCargow</span> (<span class="org">Basingstoke Gazette</span> <span class="title">Photographer</span>)</li>
</ul>
</dd>
</dl>
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